Union are "dirty players"
by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Nov 1, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
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Waa Waa Waa the Union are dirty players... I seriously considered not posting this for the sheer fact that I don't want to drive this guy's blog hits up any more than they already are... But I suppose it is relevant and worth discussing, even if I think its little more than whining from an author with little else to write about.
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Philadelphia Union had two or three fouls last game that could have been red cards without much argument
Not saying the Union are a dirty team, but watching Sunday’s game, it is not hard to see where one might get that notion.
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the only really dirty play i noticed though was Farfan’s kick to the head, and i think there was another one where one of our players may have kicked some or stepped on someone while they were on the ground like Thiery Henry. (this might have been another game i watched)
That was Carlos Valdes in Leg 1 against Houston Dynamo
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And it could have easily been a red card.
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The difference
is that the Union had several fouls, not that they got away with, but that were penalised less harshly than the opponent felt it deserved.
Houston on the other hand got one goal on an uncalled offsides, and was spared another on an uncalled handball. I think their sore winner perspective is coming from the knowledge that the ref stole the game for them when he didn’t call that handball.
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Thanks to ESPN's shoddy production and lack of quality replays
The best you can say about both of those calls is they are inconclusive. Specifically on the alleged offside, there is never an angle that lines up straight with the defensive line nor does ESPN super-impose a line at any point to tell one way or the other.
On the handball, there was only one replay, and the angle we got was with Brad Davis’s back to the ball, so, you cannot conclusively say that was a handball. Jair Marrufo had a better view than anyone of that play and did not make a call. Davis’s arm is in an unnatural position, yes, and the ball did appear to hit Davis, but exactly where it hit him is impossible to conclude, again, thanks to ESPN’s shoddy production.
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http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/774245/CarrOffside_01.jpg
I disagree. Look at the mow-striping on the field. No union player is more than halfway across the stripe, the Dynamo player is.
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You cannot definitively say for sure where on the pitch Calen Carr is with this camera angle
Depth perception becomes a major problem, especially as Calen Carr’s legs and feet are blocked out of view by the Union player. You cannot definitively determine where on the pitch Carr is without seeing his legs and his feet. It’s a bad angle and you can’t even see the player’s feet to make an attempt to line it up or technologically impose a line on the play. From this angle, it is impossible to tell.
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Depth perception isn’t a problem when they are standing between 2 parallel lines. It’s pretty absurd to say “you can’t see his feet”, when the reason for that is because he’s behind the defender.
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well...
I do think it was offside, but I also acknowledge that I’m totally biased. That said…
You can see one of his feet. You can see one of his creamsicle socks right next to Califf’s feet. That, to me, isn’t an issue in this image.
What is an issue, though, is the position of the Union defender at the top of the screen (it looks sort of like Valdes, but I can’t quite tell). He might be even with Carr. He might be a tad bit behind. It’s hard to tell from the angle.
All that said… I think it’s laughable that ESPN can’t get the right camera angle. All it takes is that camera on a wire they use at NFL games, with the wire strung even with the sideline. Keep the camera level with the last defender, and you always have the perfect replay angle to show.
okay this is infurating
How many times must it be said that you cannot definitively tell it was offsides. Fact of the matter: That angle is inconclusive. Re-watching the goal on ESPN and trying to put all the angles together, it is at best inconclusively, and at worst onside. Taylor Twellman called it onside during the broadcast. There is just no evidence that Carr’s goal was offside, no matter what you want to believe. People want it to be offside. It’s easier to blame the ref than Nowak’s poor tactics or poor play, but FACT: that angle is not conducive for determining offside. No angle that ESPN showed is.
I do agree that it is laughable that ESPN and MLS can’t do better than this.
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might consider re-reading
I said the screen shot wasn’t definitive. I said it’s not clear where Carr is in relation to the Union defenders.
I thought it was offside, based on what I saw live. But nowhere in my post did I say the replay or the screen shot was clear proof. Quite the opposite.
There are three other defenders, only one of which you say with a fair amount of confidence Carr is behind.
The picture is blurry so I can’t make out who it is, but starting from the left, you cannot say for certain that Carr is behind the defender all the way on the left side of the pic and the 3rd from the left. The fact of the matter is it is a bad angle and whether or not is is offside is inconclusive. If you think this angle conclusively shows offside, you are nothing short of delusional. That’s just the fact of the matter. Deal with it.
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