Transcript: Philadelphia Soccer Media Community Live Chat

12:01

Scott Kessler:

Hi everyone, welcome to the first ever live chat amongst the Philadelphia soccer media community.

12:02

Dave Zeitlin:

Way to set the trend, Scott. Nice job on organizing.

12:02

ChrisVito:

Glad to be here.

12:02

PhillyUnionTalk:

Thanks Scott

12:02

Dan Walsh:

Definitely. Great job putting this together, Scott.

12:02

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Thanks for having us.

12:02

unioncityblue:

Thanks, Scott. Happy to be here.

12:03

Scott Kessler:

Always happy to have something like this for the fans of the team.

12:03

Keith Hickey:

Hello, all.

12:03

Scott Kessler:

Kerith Gabriel, of the Philadelphia Daily News, will not be able to make it because of a last-minute meeting he has to attend. He sends his regrets and hopes this goes well for us.

After the jump is the full chat transcript. Because of sizing issues we had to start the jump here.

12:05

Scott Kessler:

We'll start with Faryd Mondragon. His "is he or is he not" transfer to the Union has caused many questions in the area. What are your thoughts on him? Will he be worth a designated player distinction, considering that will make him the most expensive goalkeeper in the MLS? And do you think that the transfer will actually happen?

12:06

PhillyUnionTalk:

Nowak sure seems hesitant to spend too much

12:06

PhillyUnionTalk:

Not that it's a bad thing

12:07

Keith Hickey:

The Union need a keeper, and the youth development route in that position has been pretty rocky so far.

12:07

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Well first of all, I do think the transfer is happening. My guess is that the lack of white smoke coming out of the towers at Seaport Drive has to do with not quite being sure of exactly when Mondragon is officially out of contract.

12:08

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I don't think I'd pay him DP money either, and I'm honestly not convinced he's going to be that great, but I do think it's worth spending something real to get the position fixed.

12:08

Dan Walsh:

Mondragon is obviously a proven player. Some dismiss him as an old guy who got benched for a last place team in Germany, but you could say the same about Marcus Hahnemann over at Wolves -- and many Union fans would love to have Hahnemann. The question is whether Mondragon is just too old to bank on for more than a year or two, but in goalie years ... he's young compared to Pat Onstad, who could still be playing.

12:08

ChrisVito:

If Mondragon does or doesn't end up in Philadelphia, it doesn't matter. It shows the Union's willingness to explore DP options. It shows the fanbase that they are committed (financially) to fielding a winner. That being said, the Union need a keeper -- an experienced one at that.

12:08

Dave Zeitlin:

I think it's happening too and at this point they may just be waiting for league approval. A veteran keeper seems like a must since the two young keepers sorta failed.

12:09

Keith Hickey:

Kevin Hartman showed what an outstanding keeper could do to help a pretty good side this season. If Mondragon is worth the money he's rumored to be asking for, this is a playoff team.

12:09

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Dan, I'd take Onstad in a heartbeat if he was still playing. I agree that age is not the issue.

12:09

[Comment From Greg Vince]

I think a veteran presence GK is a good thing but I wonder if we draft one.

12:09

PhillyUnionTalk:

I'll say this at the risk of sounding too harsh---almost anything in front of that net would be an improvement

12:10

Dan Walsh:

Yep, same here, Jonathan. Pat Onstad or Kevin Hartman could've put the Union in the playoffs in their first season.

12:10

[Comment From Greg]

There have been constant personel rumors since before the expansion draft last year. I'm not going to believe anything anyone says until I see it onphiladelphiaunion.com

12:10

ChrisVito:

Why draft a keeper? The issue between the pipes a year ago was inexperience ... not to mention a so-so backline, but that's beside the point.

12:10

Jonathan Tannenwald:

That's a good strategy, Greg. MLS and its clubs are especially secretive about player signings.

12:10

Dan Walsh:

A lot of people think the Union will take Maryland goalie Zac MacMath in the SuperDraft. I'm not necessarily one of them, but all the ties are there -- the same ones that were there for Seitz, of course.

12:11

Scott Kessler:

Two snarky comments by Tannenwald already. Only will get funner.

12:11

[Comment From Greg Vince]

Agreed on that. I found Seitz to be very capable of making these great saves but then he'd let up the lamest shots.

12:12

ChrisVito:

The story of the Union's season, Greg.

12:12

PhillyUnionTalk:

Greg- that's why a goalie with a few gray hairs might make more sense, even if he's not in his prime

12:12

PhillyUnionTalk:

Consistency

12:12

Dan Walsh:

Seitz lost his confidence and had no vet to lean on. It helps the young guys having a guy like Alejandro Moreno around. Of course, had a vet been around, Seitz might have gotten his pine time a lot earlier.

12:12

Jonathan Tannenwald:

There is definitely not much room for error, if any, at that position. I've found that to be even more the case in this town given the Flyers' history. Fans can have a quick hook sometimes.

12:13

Keith Hickey:

It's rare to draft a keeper with starting quality. They drafted the best keeper available in last year's draft and cut him in August. I can't see the Union taking a keeper to be anything but a third choice.

12:13

[Comment From Hodja]

My hope with Mondragon is he will command the back line better. Seitz and to a lesser degree Knighton didn't have much control.

12:13

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

I really really doubt they'll draft a GK with their 1st round Superdraft pick. Just my option. Knighton is a solid backup. They need experience in a starter.

12:14

PhillyUnionTalk:

Can we really think that way bases on how many games we COULD'VE won with a good Gk?

12:14

Dave Zeitlin:

I might be the only one who thought Seitz deserved a little better. There's a reason he was such a highly-regarded prospect and he very may well unlock all of his potential for another team. But it's hard to wait around on someone, especially when you don't have a veteran to teach.

12:14

ChrisVito:

If the Union have a keeper who finishes in the middle of the pack last year among the GAA leaders, I think they battle deeper into the year for a playoff spot. That's how much adding a guy like Mondragon could mean to this team.

12:14

ChrisVito:

Agreed, Dave.

12:15

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I thought the same, Dave, but there just came a point when the Union couldn't avoid benching him because they had dropped too many points.

12:15

[Comment From Ron DeMarse]

So is Knighton almost certainly just a backup this year?

12:15

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

Anything less than an experienced pro keeper in goal at the start of the season should be seen as a failure

12:15

[Comment From Greg Orlandini]

Hi guys, hope I'm not gate crashing. This is Dan Walsh's co-host from the KYW Philly Soccer Show podcast. it really comes down to if the Union believe they are a playoff team this season. If they think Mondragon is that piece than good. But I think the other issue that needs to be addressed is scoring depth and I have n't heard too much talk about that yet.

12:15

PhillyUnionTalk:

The fans are braying for a goalie more than any other position

12:15

Dan Walsh:

Actually, I agree with you, Dave. The Union botched their handling of him. It hurt Seitz too that he didn't get regular reserve league games with RSL because the reserve league had been done away with.

12:15

Dan Walsh:

It hurt his development.

12:15

Scott Kessler:

Greg, send me an email toscottadams97@gmail.com. Let me get you into the chat.

12:15

ChrisVito:

Ron, at this point, Knighton's the starter ... until they sign someone else.

12:16

PhillyUnionTalk:

Starting for us hurt his development.

12:16

Dan Walsh:

Yeah, get Greg in here! I steal all my ideas from him anyway. ;)

12:17

Jonathan Tannenwald:

At this point, Knighton's the only goalkeeper on the roster. That's an even bigger problem.

12:17

PhillyUnionTalk:

Do you think Seitz could've done better with a better back line?

12:17

PhillyUnionTalk:

I don't

12:17

PhillyUnionTalk:

But some do

12:18

Keith Hickey:

Any keeper can do better with a better back line. Seitz didn't pull his weight.

12:18

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I don't think all those soft goals were only Seitz's fault. Danny Califf had a few howlers, and so did Orozco.

12:18

Scott Kessler:

Dear readers: We're receiving all of your comments and publishing ones related to the discussion at hand. Don't worry, all of them will make their ways in at some point during the chat.

12:18

Dan Walsh:

Early on, maybe. But later, probably not. The back line was good in September.

12:18

ChrisVito:

If the Union thought so, don't you think they would've made stronger in-season moves than adding Arrieta and Gonzalez? That made a statement, be it intentional or otherwise.

12:18

Dave Zeitlin:

Don't forget that darn rock or divot or whatever it was that caused a goal. Seitz was a bit unlucky.

12:18

PhillyUnionTalk:

Califf should shoulder some of that blame, and that may be the reason behind his own very public support of Seitz

12:19

Dan Walsh:

Definitely, Dave. The Jaime Moreno goal in the home opener too was a bad stroke of luck.

12:19

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

I think the team will act like Knighton will be given a shot to start ala last season's preseason interviews. Everyone really know it would be Seitz, but Nowak acted like Brad had a chance.

12:19

[Comment From Greg Vince]

I have seen some video of Mondragon and definately think he'd be a hit amongst the supporters.

12:19

Dave Zeitlin:

Califf did take a lot of blame. He especially blamed himself after giving up two goals to Lenhart vs. Columbus.

12:19

[Comment From Hodja]

Do you think Knighton will be bitter if he's benched next season after fighting all year for a spot I'm sure he felt he deserved much earlier? Any worries about him becoming a headcase?

12:19

Keith Hickey:

The goal he gave up to Davy Arnaud was inexcusable.

12:19

[Comment From Robert]

I think Seitz's biggest problems were all mental. He just didn't know what to do. And clearly he never learned and who knows if he ever will.

12:19

Dan Walsh:

Agreed, Robert.

12:19

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

I thought the backline started to gel around midseason. At that point Seitz was still making mistakes and Nowak realized it.

12:20

ChrisVito:

Too many questions to field at once.

12:20

PhillyUnionTalk:

The question becomes, then- would a slightly aged, somewhat less spry professional with some real experience behind him lead to a situation where the U didn't lose based on terrible concessions?

12:20

Dave Zeitlin:

Seitz's fate was sealed as soon as Nowak publicly ripped in after giving up that soft goal vs. K.C. Hard to come back from that mentally.

12:20

Dan Walsh:

Yes.

12:20

Scott Kessler:

We're going to hold off on adding more comments to the chat for now, but don't stop sending them readers.

12:20

PhillyUnionTalk:

At least he didn't make him do box sprints

12:21

ChrisVito:

buzzkill_ed, before the Union left Seitz unprotected, Nowak had said he was willing to give both he and Knighton a fair crack in preseason. That being said, you have to wonder if that's still on the table for Knighton now that Seitz is gone.

12:21

Dan Walsh:

A better pick would be a mid-career guy like Jimmy Nielsen, however. Kansas City got him at season's start. He played very well. And he's in early 30s, which means he's the answer for the next 5 years or so. Mondragon is potentially just a stopgap in comparison.

12:21

Greg Orlandini:

That's better... I do agree experience is key in the back line and keeper. Stability is the key for the D, and the is something the union lacked. I'm just not sold 100 % on Mondragon.

12:22

ChrisVito:

I agree with you, Dan. Mondragon seems to be in the Union's plans for only a year or two ... and an expensive plan, at that.

12:23

[Comment From Med]

Actually I think the back line could have been better with a stronger Seitz. Look at the improvements when Knighton went in.

12:23

PhillyUnionTalk:

Nowak himself said that he wants player who will be around for 3 or more years, not expensive temporary stopgaps

12:23

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Chris, If Knighton is currently the only GK it's his job to lose. That's what Nowak will say anyway. If they bring in experience, experience will start.

12:23

ChrisVito:

But, Med, by the time Knighton came in, the team had added Williams. So the backlines weren't the same with both keepers.

12:23

[Comment From Section133]

Goalie is a position where SMARTS can make up for Athleticism.

12:23

Dan Walsh:

Surely, Med. But Sheanon Williams played a big part in that, as did Michael Orozco Fiscal's return to center back. Greg and I were begging for weeks for Orozco to get another crack there, and Orozco showed clearly that the Union gave up on him too quickly as a center back when they tried the Arrieta at center back experiment.

12:24

Keith Hickey:

They're looking in the right direction, at least. I don't think anyone thinks the Union need another project in net. That's why I don't mind Mondragon.

12:24

ChrisVito:

buzzkill_ed, agreed on all counts.

12:25

[Comment From Robert]

I think that Califf was clearly the weakest part of the defense and that getting someone else in there instead of him would help whoever ends up as the keeper.

12:25

Greg Orlandini:

When that triangle of Knighton, Califf and Fiscal was finally established that when the clean sheets finally came.

12:25

PhillyUnionTalk:

I'm gonna go with Harvey being the weakest part of that defense

12:25

[Comment From Robert]

Adding Williams as RB and moving Orozco Fiscal to CB were the 2nd and 3rd best moves the Union did all year (besides getting Mapp in)

12:25

[Comment From Med]

Agreed, but I felt the positioning got better due to not overcompensating for a keeper they didn't trust.

12:26

Greg Orlandini:

Califf suffered from having 3 or 4 center back partners this year.

12:26

Keith Hickey:

I disagree with your previous comment, Robert. Califf is worth his spot because of what he brings in leadership. He absolutely hates losing.

12:26

ChrisVito:

It's a tough line to walk, Robert. Califf is well-liked in the locker room. He's the vocal leader who ALWAYS accepts blame after losses, always holds himself accountable whereas younger players don't. Replacing Califf wouldn't be easy, if that's what you're proposing.

12:26

Dan Walsh:

Harvey's the weakest link if he's forced to play like Ashley Cole. If he can play as a defensive-minded fullback, he's pretty good. I think he lost his confidence or got tired at year's end. And Califf -- yeah, what Greg said. I'm a big Califf fan.

12:26

Scott Kessler:

We have lots of comments from you readers, so don't worry if you don't see yours coming up. It'll be in the chat at some point. Your comments are on hold, will help guide the chat as it goes along.

12:27

PhillyUnionTalk:

I wouldn't give up Califf either---sometimes attitude has a bigger impact than play

12:27

[Comment From Gareth]

We had a drinking game on Harvey passing BACK

12:27

[Comment From Guest]

but lets get specific. seitz was bad coming off his line and slow to the ground. plus some of the goals he gave up have nothing to do with experience.

12:27

ChrisVito:

Haha! Nice, Gareth.

12:27

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I would agree with Dan about Harvey - his defending might not be spectacular, but I think he more than makes up with it with what he brings going forward and moving the ball.

12:27

Dave Zeitlin:

Califf isn't going anywhere.

12:27

Dan Walsh:

Ouch, Gareth. But brilliant. ;) Harvey's problem is that a 4-2-2-2 without true outside midfielders requires the fullbacks to attack like wingbacks to give the team width. That's not Harvey's game.

12:27

Greg Orlandini:

Harvey is a stay at home defender who was asked to attack too much.

12:27

PhillyUnionTalk:

He gave up his mohawk--isn't that enough?

12:28

Greg Orlandini:

What Walsh said :)

12:28

Dave Zeitlin:

Harvey's steady. Says something he led two different teams in minutes played the past two seasons.

12:28

Keith Hickey:

People are also overlooking that this is MLS. For what he's paid, Harvey is fantastic value for money.

12:28

[Comment From Andy Dillon]

If they can work it so Harvey is a stay-at-home defender, and allow Williams to tear up the right (while improving on his crosses), I'd be a happy camper. And yes, I have been influenced by certain soccer-centric podcasts. ;)

12:28

[Comment From Hodja]

Harvey is as serviceable a left back as you'll easily find in the MLS. I see no need to replace him. He's cheap and has a reputation for staying healthy.

12:28

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Agree with Jon about Harvey's attacking. He's shown a presence there.

12:28

Dan Walsh:

It might say there's a shortage of good left backs, Dave. ;) But jokes aside, I agree with you.

12:29

PhillyUnionTalk:

Dan- width is definitely not our strong suit. How about spending on a winger or two?

12:29

[Comment From Guest]

harvey is scary and all left. williams great threat with speed and is fast enough to cover mistakes. is califf a weak link in the middle

12:29

[Comment From Andrew]

if there were any good left backs around maybe bornstein wouldnt be starting in the world cup

12:30

Scott Kessler:

I think Andrew raises a good point about left backs.

12:30

Greg Orlandini:

I think the elephant in the room with the Union right now is scoring depth. Le Toux is great and we all love him, but he will need help. Danny Mwanga had 7 league goals, and needs to hit double digits this year. That is a big ask of a young player.

12:30

Dan Walsh:

Man, I'd love a good winger, Conor, but that 4-2-2-2 -- if they keep it -- doesn't really have a place for it. Now excuse me while I go mourn the loss of Shea Salinas again.

12:30

ChrisVito:

Yep, I like Andrew's comment, too.

12:30

Keith Hickey:

It's a problematic position. And not the one that needs the most attention.

12:30

PhillyUnionTalk:

Sorry to bring it up Dan. You'll get through this.

12:31

Dan Walsh:

Sniff sniff.

12:31

Greg Orlandini:

Easy Dan...

12:31

[Comment From Heftybag]

Don't we have width with players like map and Torres but the system is narrow not the players

12:31

PhillyUnionTalk:

Greg- If Le Toux got injured, we would have zero attack.

12:31

unioncityblue:

I agree about the scoring depth issue. This is supposed to be a team built for offense.

12:31

Dave Zeitlin:

Considering the Union protected all four of their starting defenders, they may be content going into the season with those guys. A problem is depth in the backline.

12:31

[Comment From Robert]

Unless Mwanga regresses, we could fix our width problem by using a 4-2-3-1 with Mapp and LeToux on the wings. Would seem to fit our current personnel better than our current 4-4-2 aka 4-2-2-2

12:31

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Which is why I think they need to draft a forward, not MacMath.

12:31

ChrisVito:

Totally, Keith. The most pressing issue for this team is GK. Beyond that, everything seems trivial.

12:31

Dan Walsh:

Yes, it would, Robert.

12:32

Greg Orlandini:

death to the 4 2 2 2 !

12:32

[Comment From Nick]

Any chance Union move to a formation playing a 4-3-3, with the midfield being Mapp, Okugo, Nakazawa?, and the attack being McInerney, Mwanga, and Le Toux

12:32

PhillyUnionTalk:

We need people in midfield who can help Le Toux out, so he can stay in the enemy's third instead of running around all of PPL Park

12:32

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I also don't think Torres is best suited to be a winger.

12:32

ChrisVito:

His speed would lend itself to wing, Jonathan. But everything else about Torres' game lends itself to mid.

12:32

Greg Orlandini:

Torres isn't a winger, he needs to be in the middle to create and make that killer pass.

12:33

Jonathan Tannenwald:

That's what I think too, Greg.

12:33

Dave Zeitlin:

Nick, I like all of those guys but where does that leave Carroll. They didn't bring him here to come off the bench.

12:33

Dan Walsh:

John Hackworth said on the Philly Soccer Show that the Union would look at other formations in the offseason, and Nowak's history made many think he'd go with a 3-5-2 this year. I don't think they're wedded to any one formation. I think they chose the formation based on the talent they had in training camp last year, and the only winger at the time was an injured Salinas.

12:33

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I would play Le Toux up top with Mwanga.

12:33

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Put Carroll either as a holding midfielder or on the right.

12:33

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Agree with Jon. I'd draft another Forward or Attacking Midfielder.

12:33

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

LeToux needs to save his energy for post-game autographs.

12:33

[Comment From James]

@Nick McInerney isn't ready for a start, nor playing a winger. Mapp, Mwanga, Le Toux. Okugo, 'zawa, and Carroll

12:33

Keith Hickey:

I think you need experience up front. We've already got two teenage strikers.

12:33

PhillyUnionTalk:

Crazy idea- lone striker Mwanga- Le Toux can score from MF if he likes

12:33

Dan Walsh:

I think the Union take the best player available in the SuperDraft, regardless of position.

12:34

ChrisVito:

buzzkill_ed and Jonathan, perhaps that's the answer: If you can't stop them, outscore them. Maybe adding another MF or F is the best approach.

12:34

[Comment From Guest]

we need attacking central midfielder to lead attack and threaten the defense. fred played way too much side to side. torres has potential....but can he shoulder the load and is his size an issue to play there?

12:34

Jonathan Tannenwald:

If you go with a midfield of Miglioranzi or Carroll holding, Mapp on the left, Jacobson or Carroll on the right and Torres in the hole, then you can put Le Toux and Mwanga up top and bring McInerney and Corey Hertzog (huh? Oh.) off the bench.

12:34

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Guest, I think Torres is able to shoulder the load and I think he's ready to do it.

12:34

Jonathan Tannenwald:

And size never stopped Diego Maradona or Juan Roman Riquelme from anything.

12:34

unioncityblue:

I like LeToux up front. I think we do need another experienced forward.

12:35

Dan Walsh:

Agreed, Guest. The biggest hole after goalkeeper is a playmaker to link from the defense to the attacking third.

12:35

Scott Kessler:

We're getting flooded with comments and will try to get them in as the conversation continues.

12:35

Jonathan Tannenwald:

They have one, Dan, if they would just use him.

12:35

[Comment From Guest]

letoux on right mid....get a partner for danny

12:35

Dan Walsh:

True, Jon.

12:35

[Comment From Mike]

We need a mid field that can get the ball from thje back to the front without losing it. Fred was good at times. But we are missing that link.

12:36

[Comment From Hodja]

Take the flood as compliments on your wonderful planning. And twitter spamming. :)

12:36

Keith Hickey:

I like Le Toux coming from deep. He's a great dribbler and contributes on defense. A replacement for Moreno should be on Peter's shopping list.

12:36

Greg Orlandini:

Again, it's a big ask of some of these younger players. Torres has the skill to either a support striker or play a little deeper and be more of a play maker but experience is the key in those positions

12:36

Dan Walsh:

Torres could be that playmaker. I certainly hope so. Or he could dribble into traffic regularly, play no defense, and take a few dives. He's exciting, but he's also a work in progress.

12:36

unioncityblue:

Yes. Priorities are a goalkeeper, an attacking mid, and a an experienced forward.

12:36

PhillyUnionTalk:

Le Toux IS Moreno's replacement!

12:37

Keith Hickey:

Then who is Le Toux's replacement?

12:37

Dave Zeitlin:

They could use another seasoned outside mid besides mapp.

12:37

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Dan, Torres may still be a work in progress, but I'd rather the Union have a work in progress at the stage where he is than go out and spend a lot of money on a Schelotto, for example.

12:37

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The more Torres plays, the better he gets.

12:37

ChrisVito:

Dave, I was wondering when you'd bring up Mapp. What took so long?

12:38

PhillyUnionTalk:

Le Toux is Le Toux's replacement---that's why he's everywhere. He was doing 2 people's worth of work last season while Moreno struggled

12:38

[Comment From fj]

torres is not as strong on the ball as the people u mentioned.

12:38

Dan Walsh:

Agreed, Jonathan. 100%.

12:38

[Comment From Matt]

Cliff Lee is Moreno's replacement!

12:38

ChrisVito:

Jonathan, you and I are on the same page. Torres needs to play. (He also needs to stay healthy.)

12:38

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Dave, I see Andrew Jacobson getting a lot of time on the right side this year, and I think Nakazawa will get a lot of playing time this year too.

12:38

[Comment From Heftybag]

How cam we got a non young playmaking mid? We are not going to get kaka.

12:38

[Comment From Heftybag]

All this talk of seasoned players but where do they come from

12:38

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The cash bag in the sky, Heftybag.

12:38

PhillyUnionTalk:

Let's hear it for Nakazawa!

12:38

Dan Walsh:

Colombia!

12:38

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Someone has to get in a helicopter and go find it.

12:38

[Comment From Andrew]

we don't need to draft another young forward when we already have two GA contracts up top. we are better off playing le toux with mwanga and bringing in mac late. i dont understand why we gave up shea salinas i personally thought he was going to break through this year.

12:39

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The Union didn't "give up" Salinas. He was taken from them.

12:39

Dave Zeitlin:

Did anyone read Simon Borg's column today that said the Union should go after Freddy Adu?

12:39

ASN Philly:

If Torres would turn into David Ferreira, I would not mind that one bit. Guy is small but can take the hits in this league that he's inevitably going to get.

12:39

Dan Walsh:

It's an interesting theory that Borg has, Dave.

12:39

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Yeah. I'm not sure I agree with it. Having been in Washington when Adu was playing for Nowak in D.C., that was pretty combustible.

12:39

ChrisVito:

Salinas was left unprotected, Andrew, because he didn't stay healthy enough to show Peter and Co. what he could do in the long range. He was a nice piece, sure, but a replaceable one.

12:39

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I think there's way too much baggage there, and Adu hasn't exactly proven himself to be the type who would admit Nowak was right.

12:40

Dan Walsh:

I'd rather get Benny Feilhaber for the same role, if it was possible. Feilhaber is also that No. 10 who never gets the chance to play there.

12:40

unioncityblue:

Adu to Philadelphia is not likely to happen.

12:40

[Comment From Hodja]

They knew he'd likely get snatched up if left unprotected JT, for all practical purposes they gave up Salinas.

12:40

[Comment From Dan Glantz]

I dont understand how we can continue to grow as a team if we have no definitive plan on a formation? Wouldn't constant change be detrimental to our younger players?

12:40

[Comment From Heftybag]

No adu

12:40

Dave Zeitlin:

Yeah I"m not sure Nowak wants to deal with him again either. Just an interesting idea.

12:40

Dan Walsh:

Yeah, was interesting. But I doubt Nowak would want him. He had him in DC. Probably had enough of him. They DID trade him, after all.

12:40

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Feilhaber would be terrific.

12:41

PhillyUnionTalk:

That's a good question, Dan Glantz---- do we build the formation around the talent, or vice versa?

12:41

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I say the former.

12:41

PhillyUnionTalk:

Will the draft determine our formation after all?

12:41

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Formations don't matter all that much, especially when you have a bunch of players who can play multiple positions.

12:41

Greg Orlandini:

You build your formation from the talent.

12:41

Dan Walsh:

Ditto on Greg.

12:41

unioncityblue:

Third.

12:41

ChrisVito:

Fourth.

12:42

[Comment From Robert]

Dan Glantz brings up a good point. We know Nowak likes to play attractive, attacking soccer. But we need to find a consistent formation and go with that.

12:42

ChrisVito:

Quick, someone say 'fifth.'

12:42

[Comment From George]

5th

12:42

[Comment From Dan Glantz]

I also agree, but I do think its important to have a set gameplan. Id personally love to see us try a 4 3 3 but I don't think it will happen

12:42

Greg Orlandini:

That's why he went with the 4-2-2-2 because it isn't as rigid. But there are downsides to the formation. I am a firm believer in a midfield general to run the show and the formation doesn't lend itself to it.

12:42

[Comment From SoB135]

I was constantly annoyed last season by Nowak's ever changing lineup every game. I couldn't think of more then two matches where the lineup was the same. How can you build chemistry this way? I know it was the first season but towards the end when we played better you would think he would have stuck with something.

12:43

[Comment From fj]

how about set pieces...we need a forward strong to win the ball in the air. not danny or letoux strong point and its not a knock. morenos production was disappointing

12:43

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I think Nowak will build something to suit the talent he's got. He had one of the great playmakers in MLS history when DC won the championship in 200r with Christian Gomez.

12:43

Scott Kessler:

We're still catching up on your comments and questions but we're getting so many that we can't properly fit them into the chat all at once. Please continue to be patient, thanks!

12:43

Dan Walsh:

We need someone to take the set pieces too. I think that's why Nakazawa rated higher than Salinas when the Union determined who to protect. His free kicks are terrific, and that was a major weakness for the Union this year, the lack of good free kicks.

12:43

Jonathan Tannenwald:

fj, I would argue we don't actually know how good Le Toux is or isn't at being on the receiving end of set pieces - and we won't until he stops taking them.

12:43

unioncityblue:

I agree with the comment. The Union was very poor in winning balls in the air.

12:44

[Comment From James]

I don't think we have the means to play a 4-3-3. I don't think we have anybody who can play as a lone striker. 4-1-2-1-2 but we need to find that playmaking attacking mid who can actually make a play.

12:44

[Comment From Robert]

Hardly any team will use the same starting 11 in every game. Nearly impossible due to fatigue and injuries and etc. As long as we have a consistent 8-9 guys thats good enough for me.

12:44

PhillyUnionTalk:

Nakazawa is the key to set pieces if utilized

12:44

Dan Walsh:

Definitely.

12:45

Greg Orlandini:

I think Kyle was solid from set pieces and Jacobson has the best long range shot. Things will open up for them a bit this season and you will oth uitilize their skills more.

12:45

ChrisVito:

I think Nakazawa has done enough to earn a preseason look at the starting lineup.

12:45

PhillyUnionTalk:

But even when Nak was on the pitch , Le Toux was still taking the free kicks

12:45

PhillyUnionTalk:

Alot of them, anyway

12:45

Dan Walsh:

Too many of them. ;)

12:45

Keith Hickey:

Jacobson is about as accurate as a dowsing rod, though.

12:45

Jonathan Tannenwald:

As do I, Chris - and Nowak and Hackworth know him very well from U.S. youth national teams. I was surprised Nakazawa fell as far as he did in the draft last year and I think the Union did very well to get him.

12:45

Scott Kessler:

Those early reader comments/questions about the Philly area and soccer/the Union? We'll have that discussion later.

12:45

Dave Zeitlin:

If there's one guy that should start based on the offseason, it's Amobi. Not sure if there's a place for him with Carroll here though.

12:46

Scott Kessler:

Oh, Amobi time. We have plenty of questions about him from the readers.

12:46

ChrisVito:

Dave, Okugo is only 19. He's got time. (But, I agree. He deserves a look.)

12:46

[Comment From Andrew]

any chance okugo gains a starting role this year? sounds like hes playing well with the U-20.

12:46

[Comment From SoB135]

Thoughts on Amobi Okugo? He looks to be having a great offseason with U-20's & GenAdidas. Although he didn't get much PT last season he didn't look to spectacular to me, but that could be a number of issues. I'm looking forward to seeing him this season.

12:47

Dan Walsh:

There's a huge logjam at defensive midfielder, and I think someone goes in a trade before the season. I think it's probably Jacobson. Okugo develops behind Carroll, and Migs remains as a veteran presence. Jacobson isn't an outside midfielder.

12:47

Keith Hickey:

He needs someone next to him to distribute the ball. He can win it with the best of his age, but his passing leaves a lot to be desired.

12:47

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I also think Okugo can play on the right side.

12:47

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Dave, you could play them both if Nowak still runs the 2 defensive midfielder system.

12:47

Greg Orlandini:

As anyone who has ever listened to our pod knows, Amboi may be my favorite player. It isn't a mistake he is getting all of these u-20 national team looks.

12:47

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Not as a winger, but then Fred wasn't really either.

12:47

PhillyUnionTalk:

Yeah I'm not sure Okugo should be a regular starter just yet

12:47

[Comment From Nick]

I want Okugo next to Migs in the starting XI this season

12:48

unioncityblue:

I think it would be Okugo and Carroll if Okugo gets a look.

12:48

Dave Zeitlin:

If I had to guess one current Union member who'll be in Brazil in 2014, it's Amobi. It's a shame Jack was only invited to one of the U-20 camps. Scored a goal in the only game he played.

12:48

ChrisVito:

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think Miglioranzi brought anything spectacular last season. He was a consistent, healthy holding mid. That's about it.

12:48

Keith Hickey:

I want Okugo and Carroll. Migs is only going to get worse. A useful squad player, but Okugo has huge upside.

12:48

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Which is fine.

12:48

[Comment From Heftybag]

Well the reserve league should help all these youngsters

12:48

Dan Walsh:

I don't think Carroll came here to sit the bench. He's here to replace Migs.

12:48

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I think Carroll plays the position better than Miglioranzi, and is more versatile.

12:49

[Comment From Heftybag]

Agreed migs loses his spot when okugo takes it

12:49

[Comment From James]

If Nowak sticks with 2 defensive mid set up Carroll and 'zawa (or Migs, Kyle can play attacking or defending in my opinion) would be best. Okugo needs more time.

12:49

ChrisVito:

Dan and Jonathan, exactly my point.

12:49

Keith Hickey:

He's closer to that box-to-box player than Migs, who is similar to Okugo.

12:49

[Comment From Robert]

I agree Chris, I didn't see anything great out of Migz. I even liked Coudet more than him. I'd love to see both of them go.

12:49

[Comment From Nick]

JT, I haven't followed Carroll, but I like everything I'm hearing about him. I hope you are right.

12:50

[Comment From Andrew]

i'm feeling a 4-2-3-1 with harvey califf orozco williams then caroll and okugo holding with le toux torres and mapp attacking and mwanga up top.

12:50

Jonathan Tannenwald:

He's not as good as he used to be, but he's still pretty good.

12:50

Greg Orlandini:

Migs is expendable. It's Carroll and midfielder of the day next to him. A platoon of Kyle and Andrew maybe

12:50

Keith Hickey:

Carroll is a winner. Period. Everywhere he goes, he wins.

12:50

Keith Hickey:

2 MLS Cups, 4 Supporters Shields

12:50

ChrisVito:

So, Keith what you're saying is Carroll deserves a Union-shield-shaped pretzel?

12:50

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Andrew, I don't think that 4-2-3-1 is actually going to put the ball in the net.

12:51

Scott Kessler:

Due to time constraints we're not going to take any more questions/comments for Amobi (from readers). Sorry.

12:51

Dan Walsh:

A 4-2-3-1 would be nice, Andrew, if Mwanga could play the target man role. Can he yet? Not sure. But I agree, I think it fits the Union's talent otherwise.

12:51

PhillyUnionTalk:

The only controversy with Carroll is gonna be his reluctance to be here in the first place---but he's put on a happy face

12:52

Keith Hickey:

Chris, what I'm saying is he's going to be one of our best players next season. And that I would quite like a pretzel. I miss them.

12:52

Dan Walsh:

Columbus could be a mess next season. Carroll may feel better come May.

12:52

Scott Kessler:

Let's shift the focus of the chat to some rumored additions that could change the outlook of the team. The readers have some questions.

12:52

Greg Orlandini:

I think a 4-2-3-1 is the way to go. They have the type of roster to do it. In the "3" you have the type of players that can rotate

12:53

[Comment From Burt]

Whats the deal with Carlos Valdez? is he any good?

12:53

Dan Walsh:

Seems like a lot of good readers' questions too. That's a great part of this chat, Scott, and it was great that you set it up like that.

12:53

Greg Orlandini:

love starting rumors!

12:53

unioncityblue:

There are new rumors every week. It's hard to keep up.

12:53

ChrisVito:

Rumor: Union trade Dave Zeitlin for a bag of balls. (Kidding, kidding.)

12:54

ChrisVito:

Dave's worth at least two pair of spikes.

12:54

Greg Orlandini:

The Valdez thing is interesting. besides Mondragon he is really the only name I've seen.

12:54

Scott Kessler:

@Ansbro: I'll do that when chat is over. Gotta handle your comments and what not.

12:54

Keith Hickey:

Don't joke, those balls are expensive.

12:54

Dave Zeitlin:

Better be adidas balls.

12:54

ChrisVito:

Only adidas, Dave.

12:54

Scott Kessler:

@SOB24: Kerith had a meeting to attend at the last minute. We discussed Mondragon earlier in the chat.

12:54

[Comment From Nick]

Rumors make the world go 'round

12:54

[Comment From Med]

I sit true that the Union are to be the new Columbian National Team? ;)

12:55

[Comment From James]

Ebi Smolarek to the Union. I've seen that around since the announcement of the Union.

12:55

Dan Walsh:

Could be, Med. ;)

12:55

Greg Orlandini:

Just wanna say I'm glad the Union didn't get Pires. He has been awful for Villa.

12:55

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Hey Nick, you would know that better than anyone else, given your history in the league... oh. Not that nick.

12:55

ChrisVito:

Med, that could present a problem when the entire starting XI gets recalled for national duty.

12:55

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Chris, I don't think that's going to happen any time soon, except for Mondragon. Torres in particular is not in the national team pool as of now.

12:55

Dan Walsh:

Diego Gutierrez might be he most important offseason pickup for the Union. He's proven to have a great pipeline to Colombia in terms of scouting and securing players for MLS.

12:56

Keith Hickey:

In that case, Chris, Bruce Arena will be screwed when his team gets called up for the 2002 World Cup.

12:56

ChrisVito:

It was a joke, Jonathan.

12:56

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Ah sorry.

12:56

[Comment From Hodja]

With the Marek Mintal and Mondragon rumors, I like the idea of them, but is it smart to pick up two players who throw fits (rumored at least) if they don't get starting time?

12:56

Greg Orlandini:

MLS is actually held in pretty good regard in Colombia. Players see it as destination.

12:56

Dan Walsh:

Publicity, Hodja? ;)

12:56

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Dan, I agree - and we have seen many MLS clubs go to South America and bring back quality players at reasonable salaries.

12:56

Dave Zeitlin:

It's true. When I intervied Juan Diego Gonzalez, he was excited to tour America. Maybe too excited to go to Vegas.

12:56

Keith Hickey:

Selling the US as a place to live is not hard. Safe, good lifestyle, relatively low taxes.

12:57

Dan Walsh:

Ha! Nice, Dave.

12:57

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Among the many reasons why MLS is a popular destination for South American players: they get paid on time. That's not the case in many South American leagues, including Argentina.

12:57

Scott Kessler:

To those asking about Mondragon: We discussed him as the first topic of the chat. You can click the links above to head back in the chat transcript or wait for the posting of the transcript itself on www.brotherlygame.com.

12:57

[Comment From Earl]

Low taxes? where?

12:57

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Funny Greg, some players in Mexico think they're doing America a huge favor by even considering a return to MLS.

12:57

Keith Hickey:

Hope you didn't tell him about Atlantic City, Dave.

12:57

Dave Zeitlin:

Gutierriez is a tremendous hire. He'll bring the best South Americans but as he told me, he'll look around the world for talent.

12:57

Dan Walsh:

Delaware. For corporations. ;)

12:57

Keith Hickey:

Earl, compared to Europe, we're the Wild West.

12:58

[Comment From James]

All the Marek Mital rumors have me excited, am I the only one?

12:58

[Comment From Dan]

Are we only looking towards SA or are we exploring other continents like Africa as well?

12:59

Scott Kessler:

Dan, Diego Gutierrez is the reason we've been so set on South America. Dave wrote a piece about it forMLSsoccer.com.

12:59

Dave Zeitlin:

Nice plug.

12:59

unioncityblue:

I hoped Nowak would have connections in Eastern Europe. Maybe Mintal would be a start there.

12:59

Dan Walsh:

Oh, I know, Scott. :) In MLS, the scouting network is more limited than elsewhere. New England has some good ties to Africa, but the Union haven't shown they have any yet. But like Scott says, that's the hook to Colombia and South America.

12:59

Scott Kessler:

I do what I can.

12:59

Keith Hickey:

Any more academy players anytime soon?

12:59

Scott Kessler:

Walsh, I meant the commentator Dan.

1:00

Dan Walsh:

Ah...

1:00

[Comment From Gerhard Hahn]

don't you think Pfeiffer is a little young ?

1:00

Keith Hickey:

Possibly the best young player in the country is from outside Lancaster.

1:01

Greg Orlandini:

Right Dan, MLS teams don't have armies of scouts like the ELP. So if a team can get on good solid connection to a region (as the Union seems to be doing) they can get a leg up on other teams.

1:01

Dan Walsh:

Pfeffer has a twin brother, doesn't he? Plays for FC Delco?

1:02

Scott Kessler:

I think he's younger.

1:02

[Comment From Heftybag]

You know doing this from Atlanta airport makes the layover time go by fast. Thanks Scott!

1:02

[Comment From Med]

Pfeffer really impressed during the few minutes he played in the friendly. For a 15 year old to appear that composed was impressive.

1:02

Dave Zeitlin:

It's a twin. If Pfeffer is half as good as Hackworth thinks he'll be, locking him up will be the best move the Union made this offseason.

1:03

Keith Hickey:

The academy system excites me.

1:03

Dan Walsh:

I think it's great that they signed him because he can now get Reserve League time or games at Harrisburg. I hope we don't see him in too many games for the Union too soon. What you want is a high level of competition to drive development but not so much that it overwhelms the player, as may have happened with Adu.

1:03

Scott Kessler:

My suggestion to everyone commenting is to start posting some of your comments in the comment section of the site itself. We're getting overloaded on here and I don't want to have your comments go to nothing. The Brotherly Game is a good place for 'em.

1:03

[Comment From Earl]

how much playing time could you see Pfeffer getting this year?

1:03

[Comment From Heftybag]

Booby watshaw from mechanicsburg also a future mls player. So good talent in the area

1:04

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

What is Pfeffer's natural position anyway?

1:04

Dan Walsh:

Not much, Earl.

1:04

Keith Hickey:

Pfeffer is a midfielder.

1:04

ChrisVito:

Earl, not sure the Union's intention is to play Pfeffer this year ... unless it's in friendlies. They locked him up, so why rush his progress?

1:05

Greg Orlandini:

Earl, he will get a run out here and there. I think if they make a cup push he can be on the "cup" squad. He'll play most of the friendlies. A spot start here and there even.

1:05

Dan Walsh:

With the rosters expanding to 30 players and the reserve league returning, you could see other signings like this.

1:05

[Comment From Heftybag]

Usoc games and friendlies at most for pfeffer

1:05

unioncityblue:

Exactly. Let him play Reserve League games or in Harrisburg.

1:05

Keith Hickey:

I wouldn't be surprised if he plays a few games on loan with Harrisburg.

1:05

Keith Hickey:

Just need someone to drive him.

1:05

Dan Walsh:

Yes, he does. Heh.

1:05

Dave Zeitlin:

He's getting his permit in January. Let's hope he passes his road test first try.

1:06

Dan Walsh:

Do we even want him driving, Dave?

1:06

Scott Kessler:

Just to note again, if you have questions/comments about Mondragon, Torres, rumored signings, formation, etc post them in the Brotherly Game's comment section here:http://www.brotherlygame.com/2011/1/4/1913216/philadelphia-soccer-media-community-live-chat

1:06

Scott Kessler:

We're trying to cut down on the flood of comments from you guys so that more can make it into the chat.

1:06

Dave Zeitlin:

I've heard Pfeffer can lift cars and save babies from burning buildings. Driving to practice should be cake.

1:07

Keith Hickey:

Speaking of youth players, has anyone heard anything on Alex Shinsky?

1:07

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Keith, midfielder is a pretty general term. Especially in Nowak's system. does he tend to play the right/left? Attack/defense? Could he play Fullback if needed?

1:08

ChrisVito:

All right, gang. The demands of a 4-midnight shift tonight at the Delaware County Daily Times require me to exit the chat. But this has been fun. Thanks for having me.

1:08

Dan Walsh:

Ouch, Chris. I don't miss those. Good luck. :)

1:08

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Heaven knows what the Eagles are going to do to us tonight, Chris. Good luck.

1:08

Keith Hickey:

Having signed a contract at his age, I'd suspect he's seen as an attacking player. His cameo seemed to suggest he had those instincts.

1:08

Dave Zeitlin:

Takes you three hours to drive to Delaware County?

1:08

Keith Hickey:

Take care, Chris.

1:08

Scott Kessler:

Thanks for participating, Chris.

1:09

Dan Walsh:

To Buzzkill Ed: Pfeffer's so young that my guess is that his position is a work in progress still.

1:10

Greg Orlandini:

He's going to be 16 and still has some growing to do. That could also determind where he ends up.

1:11

Scott Kessler:

@Ron DeMarse, SoB135 (x3), James, SOB24, Phil: Please repost those comments in the comments section for the article that this chat is in. We can get back to them later if necessary, if not I can handle them post chat. Thanks.

1:11

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Dan and Keith, Thanks. I really couldn't get a good look at him in the friendly. It would be interesting to see what Nowak/Hack expected to get out of him.

1:13

Keith Hickey:

For what it's worth, I'm just thrilled that we've signed an academy player.

1:13

Dan Walsh:

I think he's sort of an example of grab the best players available. Corey Hertzog (from Reading United and Penn State) would've been one of those if the Union could've got him via the homegrown player route.

1:13

[Comment From Heftybag]

Speaking of drafting a forward. Does Corey hertzog play the same game as our other forwards? Do we need a bigger forward?

1:13

Greg Orlandini:

It's great PR if nothing else. Got the Union on the cover of the Daily News. Can't buy that kinda pub.

1:13

Keith Hickey:

Speaking of Hertzog, does anyone think we won't draft him in the first round if he's available?

1:14

Dan Walsh:

I don't think Hertzog is a sure pick.

1:14

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I don't think it's a given. I think he would be a good pick, but not a given.

1:14

Dan Walsh:

He's more valuable when you can sign him as a homegrown player for nothing. But when you only have 1 first round pick, it's different.

1:14

Keith Hickey:

Neither do I. I think it's a case of the prevailing wisdom becoming accepted fact.

1:15

unioncityblue:

Who do you like as a first pick?

1:15

Keith Hickey:

If they want to go for a young forward, Salgado is supposed to have the biggest potential.

1:15

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I'd be surprised if he's still on the board.

1:15

[Comment From Hodja]

If they do pick Hertzog I'd expect (or hope) that they'd trade down. He doesn't strike me as a #5 pick, and maybe we could get something else too.

1:15

Greg Orlandini:

For what they are worth, I've seen Hertzog in a few mock drafts as high as five and as low as 15th.

1:15

Greg Orlandini:

The 5th pick should be a sure thing.

1:16

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The drop-off after Hertzog in attacking talent is significant.

1:16

Dan Walsh:

I think it'd be interesting to see the Union trade down and take one of the attacking midfielders/wingers available -- Michael Farfan or Michael Nanchoff. I know I said you take the best player available, but the best players available, admittedly, play positions where the Union have major logjams. So I'm torn. ;)

1:17

Scott Kessler:

The one name I'm looking for the Union to draft is Boxall, out of USCB.

1:18

Dan Walsh:

Why do you like him, Scott?

1:18

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I would not be surprised if they draft Akron midfielder Anthony Ampapitakwong, just to spite the media.

1:18

Scott Kessler:

He's a first round talent leftback who will fall to the second round because of injury concerns.

1:19

Scott Kessler:

Plus he's been a mainstay for the U-20/22 New Zealand national teams. Would love to see an Union player in the 2014 World Cup.

1:19

Keith Hickey:

Say it ain't so, JT. They'd probably get Agboussamonde, too.

1:19

Dan Walsh:

Interesting idea, Scott. Good left backs are hard to find.

1:20

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

Who do you guys think will go first overall in the draft? Kitchen? Salgado? Sarkodie?

1:20

[Comment From Ansbro]

"Ampapitakwong"....How the hell are the SoB's gonna make a chant with that?!? Interesting....

1:21

Keith Hickey:

Give me an "A!"

1:21

[Comment From Guest]

good idea scott. plus it will be good to get competition at lb

1:22

Dan Walsh:

If Salgado doesn't go first -- Vancouver wanted him as a non-draft signing but couldn't get him -- I think he'll go 4th to Chivas USA.

1:22

Keith Hickey:

I'm not so sure about that.

1:22

Keith Hickey:

The parent company aren't too happy with him, I hear.

1:23

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Whether he goes 3rd to DC or 4th to Chivas, I'd be very surprised if he's still around for the Union to take.

1:23

Dan Walsh:

Well, it's the MLS amateur draft. I'm not sure of anything. ;) John Rooney anyone?

1:23

Keith Hickey:

Maybe for a small club that needs the Rooney-based publicity to sell tickets.

1:23

Keith Hickey:

Like New York.

1:24

Scott Kessler:

Rooney is interesting. I've had discussions with Sounders and Timbers people about him. He's an iffy prospect. Did almost nothing (1 goal, 3 assists) in League Two in England. Could make it into the first, could fall into the third.

1:24

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

...let along get it on a jersey.

1:24

[Comment From Earl]

So many good things rhyme with the tail end of his name... dong, thong, bong, gong

1:24

Scott Kessler:

Some comments I missed about long named soccer players.

1:25

Keith Hickey:

I seriously doubt that he's a first rounder. If he is so good, why didn't teams go for him when it wasn't using a pick?

1:25

Dan Walsh:

Important to get the bong and thong comment in there. Good job, Scott. ;)

1:25

Scott Kessler:

They couldn't Keith. He was "discovered" by MLS scouts.

1:25

Keith Hickey:

Wasn't he on trial at Seattle? I'm sure I read that.

1:26

Scott Kessler:

He was on trial at Seattle and Portland through the MLS. Discovered by MLS scouts, so he'd have to go through the allocation draft but signed on for the MLS draft.

1:26

Dan Walsh:

Yeah, but he's an international. He shouldn't have gone into the draft. It looks like it's just for publicity. It looks really silly.

1:26

Keith Hickey:

And he's an international with something like 50 pro games under his belt.

1:27

Dan Walsh:

Exactly.

1:27

unioncityblue:

Yes. I would love to know the justification for him being in the draft.

1:27

Jonathan Tannenwald:

It's just a mechanism.

1:27

[Comment From Section133]

About Little Rooney... Shrek2... Sequels are never as good as the original. He will be worthless.

1:28

Scott Kessler:

Moving on from the draft, some questions/comments about the FO and then we'll discuss the Philly area in regards to soccer and the Union.

1:28

[Comment From rolando]

Have others lost some faith in this FO? I know that last year at this time I was a lot more optimistic than I am right now.

1:28

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

Do you all have confidence in Nowak and the front office?

1:28

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Nowak, yes. Sakiewicz I have seen in this league for far too long.

1:28

Keith Hickey:

They got rid of Veit, so at least they can recognize their mistakes.

1:29

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I think Veit got rid of himself.

1:29

Keith Hickey:

Or are good at shifting blame.

1:29

Dan Walsh:

That's my understanding, Jonathan.

1:29

Greg Orlandini:

The most frustrating thing for me was losing 4 players in two drafts and seeing no return.

1:29

Jonathan Tannenwald:

That's the way the system works, Greg.

1:29

Keith Hickey:

So he jumped rather than was pushed?

1:29

Jonathan Tannenwald:

There's nothing the Union can do about it.

1:29

Dan Walsh:

True, but they could've gotten something for Seitz.

1:29

Jonathan Tannenwald:

From what he told me (and take that for what you want), he was always going to go. His main thing was to get the stadium built.

1:30

Keith Hickey:

I think losing Seitz and Moreno could be blessings in disguise.

1:30

Greg Orlandini:

But two of those players we tradeed quickly after the drafts. Is that a front office failure?

1:30

Jonathan Tannenwald:

No, that's also the way the system works.

1:30

unioncityblue:

I agree that there probably wasn't much the Union could do about the losses. It's not clear another team would've been willing to make a deal for Seitz before the draft.

1:30

Keith Hickey:

Salinas and Fred less, but I think Jack is ready for a breakout season. He scored every time he got a shot on goal.

1:30

Greg Orlandini:

Keith, not arguing that point but 4 players gone for a new two is a tough pill to swallow.

1:30

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Just because Portland wanted a player from another team doesn't mean the Union wanted that same player.

1:30

Dan Walsh:

I think it's both -- front office failure and the way the system works. The Union should've known much earlier whether Seitz was going to resign for lower -- and if he wasn't, they should've traded him when they could.

1:30

Scott Kessler:

Seitz netted Seattle a fourth round pick, which is now a first round pick in the Supplemental draft. Essentially Seitz is worth Brian Peck.

1:31

[Comment From stephenlucey]

That's almost exactly what I told Veit to do with himself after the NYRB game.

1:31

Dave Zeitlin:

Like Vito, I have to take off for work reasons. Thanks for everyone for participating and thanks for having for me.

1:31

Dan Walsh:

I have confidence in Union management, Brad, but the Seitz mess shows they can mess one up now and again.

1:32

Dan Walsh:

Take it easy, Dave.

1:32

Keith Hickey:

They're not perfect, but I think the positives (unleashing Le Toux on MLS, for example) outweigh the negatives.

1:32

Scott Kessler:

Thanks for participating, Dave.

1:32

Keith Hickey:

Adios, Dave.

1:32

[Comment From Guest]

whats the season ticket number looking like? figure that is a good sign for satisfied customers

1:33

Dan Walsh:

Hackworth is a very unique No. 2. Gutierrez is a huge pickup on the scouting end. Nowak is a proven manager with a title under his belt already. The question is whether Nowak is too clever for his own good. We'll see.

1:33

PhillyUnionTalk:

The FO's main concern will always be PR, and unless we get something special before next season, the FO will look somewhat less competent for getting nothing for Seitz

1:33

Keith Hickey:

Is that Friedel guy available?

1:33

Scott Kessler:

@Guest We're actually going to talk about that next. Hang on!

1:34

Dan Walsh:

Friedel to the Union. Hey Greg, let's start a rumor.

1:34

Greg Orlandini:

PhillyUnion, That is only if Seitz has a big year. He could be an after thought by July.

1:34

Keith Hickey:

Wait, he was on the '02 WC team, so LA has his rights.

1:34

Jonathan Tannenwald:

I'd be surprised if the season ticket number is that much lower than last year... but we can save that for the moment.

1:35

PhillyUnionTalk:

I'm sorry, I have to change my pants since someone mentioned Friedel to the Union. brb

1:35

Dan Walsh:

Yeah, but that doesn't matter much in MLS, when it comes down to it. Toronto had Brian McBride's rights.

1:35

Scott Kessler:

I think that they don't anymore. Brad was already rumored to go to Columbus as a GK/manager.

1:35

Dan Walsh:

Columbus has a pretty good goalie.

1:35

[Comment From rolando]

Dan, what do you mean by Nowak being "too clever for his own good?" That's a little opaque.

1:35

Keith Hickey:

It was a joke, guys. And a clever one at that.

1:36

Scott Kessler:

I just got it. Ugh. Damn you, Keith!

1:36

Dan Walsh:

I'll pick it up tomorrow. I never get Keith Hickey humor. I'm not clever enough.

1:37

Dan Walsh:

Rolando -- Nowak is smart. He likes to experiment, which is good. But sometimes he screws around too much -- the Orozco-Arrieta flip-flop, for example. The opening day lineup last year. Stuff like that.

1:38

Keith Hickey:

Stahl at center back and Mwanga at central mid. Right.

1:38

[Comment From rolando]

Dan: Ah, gotcha. I wasn't clear that you meant with tactical decisions. Thought you were talking more long term.

1:39

Scott Kessler:

Tannenwald asked if we could move to a topic, readers asked aquestions about it and I wanted us to touch on it as well: Marketing the Union / how the Union and soccer will catch on in the Philadelphia market.

1:39

[Comment From Kevin Kinkead]

Hey there, Kevin K here (Eyewitness News/Union Freelancer). Since I'm involved with the team, I won't comment on anything - but I'm interested in hearing how other people within your respective media outlets view the Union, i.e. how does MLS rank in regards to "news worthiness" in Philadelphia?

1:39

Dan Walsh:

Well, I've only followed him closely for one year. So long-term, I can't pretend to know one way or the other. So I just wonder.

1:39

[Comment From Guest]

what steps locally are needed for the union and mls to gain more mainstream attention. also any idea what season tix sales are looking like to date? thanks for your coverage.

1:39

[Comment From Bob]

We know the soccer die-hards are all in, but how do you think the casual Philly sports fan will continue to embrace the Union? How do you suggest such a fan really gets to know/learn the MLS game and this Union team?

1:40

Dan Walsh:

Wow, 3 great questions in one shot. Thanks, Scott! ;)

1:40

Scott Kessler:

You're more than welcome, Dan. Mwahaha.

1:40

Keith Hickey:

I think the team is going about this the right way. Local connections, the hard-working "screw everyone else, we're Philly" kind of attitude will play well.

1:40

Dan Walsh:

I'm curious as to what Jonathan thinks about the newsworthiness of the Union. He has a good perspective, working for the Inquirer.

1:41

[Comment From Guest]

what are the next steps the union have to take to further penetrate the philly sports scene? are they hitting the market and selling the team to their full potential?

1:41

Scott Kessler:

Those are the questions submitted by readers, Jonathan has his own subtopic after we're done with this one.

1:41

Keith Hickey:

If a local like Pfeffer or Hertzog becomes a key player, you're looking at a potential Philly hero.

1:41

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Dan, I don't want to get too deep into the inner workings and stuff I'm not allowed to talk about, but I can definitely say a few things...

1:41

Dan Walsh:

Ah, true. Sorry to put you on the spot there, Jonathan.

1:42

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The first is that everyone knows how much interest there is in town right now in the Eagles and Phillies in particular. That is borne out by newspaper sales and in particular web traffic, which I keep a close eye on.

1:42

[Comment From Phil]

personally, i have a lot of die hard eagles and phillies friends, and now that the season is over, they otld me they can't wait to go to more games with me this upcoming season

1:42

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The Flyers are also very popular, especially when they are winning.

1:42

Greg Orlandini:

Like I said they got some great pub signing Pfeffer. People were coming up to me talking Union at work when he landed on the DN cover. They do a nice job getting out into the community I think that's big. The TV situtaion hurts them when they switch to the living well channell or whatever that is.

1:42

Keith Hickey:

Bob, if you want to get to know about MLS and the Union, go to a game. Sit in the River End if you can. It's a blast.

1:42

Jonathan Tannenwald:

So that leads editors in print and online to give more space to teams that they know people want to read about.

1:43

Jonathan Tannenwald:

The second factor, and I know this is the case at media outlets of many sizes all over the country, is that soccer is still relatively new on the American sports landscape.

1:43

[Comment From Section133]

I think once the UNION start winning they will be BELOVED.. it's the nature of the beast.

1:43

[Comment From Gareth]

The media, especially TV, needs to show the Union some respect. I felt they got severely short changed last year on TV sports bulletins.

1:43

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Many sports editors don't know much about the sport and don't follow it so they don't know how much attention to give it.

1:43

[Comment From Mike]

Why does Seatle have so many more fans? Does anyone know?

1:43

Jonathan Tannenwald:

And when the television ratings for MLS - not soccer in general, MLS specifically - are as low as they are, that makes an impact.

1:43	Keith Hickey: A perfect storm of history, excellent marketing, financial backing, and losing the Sonics.

1:44	Greg Orlandini: Hey 133, winning solves EVERYTHING. If they have a big season standings wise, that is a huge shot in the arm.

1:44

Jonathan Tannenwald:

Seattle has so many fans for three reasons: 1. a long history of soccer in the Pacifc Northwest; 2. as Keith noted, losing the Sonics; and 3. an amazing ownership and marketing team that cross-promotes them with the Seahawks in everything from sharing the stadium to sharing a very large team merchandise store in a major shopping mall in the city center.

1:44

[Comment From rolando]

@Jonathan, remember when the 01 Sixers were on the cover of the daily news for weeks on end? /singletear

1:44	Jonathan Tannenwald: I've been up there twice for games and they have done a better job of creating a genuine soccer community than any other city I've seen in the U.S.

1:45

[Comment From Dan]

Seattle has less sports to care about, and the sounders are pretty successful

1:45

[Comment From Earl]

trying to find Union coverage on sports shows/segments is dreadful

1:45

[Comment From Med]

I have family in Denver and shortly after the MLS cup asked them if they had heard anything about the Rapids lately. Nadda. They had no idea the rapids were champs. Is there a worry in the press that once the novelty wears off the typical Philly fan just won't care?

1:45	Jonathan Tannenwald: Now I want to go back to something Keith said, because there is one aspect in which the marketing is not being done in "the right way."

1:45	Jonathan Tannenwald: The Union have done next to nothing to market to the local Hispanic population.

1:46	Keith Hickey: We're in a congested market, but Philly fans are good fans.

1:46	Keith Hickey: I disagree, JT. Fred's twitter account?

1:46	Greg Orlandini: Jonathan, I think that is an MLS issue too.

1:46	Scott Kessler: And Roger Torres' twitter account.

1:46	Jonathan Tannenwald: I have seen this with my own eyes reading the Spanish-language newspapers and watching Univision, and more importantly I've heard it over and over again from the reporters for those media outlets.

1:46

[Comment From Greg Vince]

I thought ti was lame that when I put on CSN and the Union may have gotten a 30 second spot. Even on a slow day.

1:46	Dan Walsh: I agree with Jonathan.

1:46	Jonathan Tannenwald: Twitter isn't nearly enough, especially when you look at the socioeconomics of the region's Hispanic population.

1:47

[Comment From Ansbro]

ComcastSportsNet is always looking to fill time....why can't a soccer specific show be put together? I realize money and viewership always plays into it but a 1/2 show along the lines of DNL would work beautifully and be a great start

1:47	Jonathan Tannenwald: And they aren't just in the city, they are in Kennett Square and Norristown and other places.

1:47

Dan Walsh:

To add in here on the media attention: I don't think most local media give the Union or MLS enough attention. KYW and the Daily News give them the most attention. The Inquirer treats them the way Jonathan described earlier, and if not for Jon's initiative in blogging, you'd get very little from the Inqy on the Union, in my opinion. Everyone else? TV, local sports radio? The Union are still an afterthought. I saw that firsthand while a reporter for the Atlantic City Press. Right now, print media are contracting people rather than expanding them, and most are not inclined to assign a full-time reporter to pro soccer. It's as much of an issue of the media industry's troubles as it is of the sanding of MLS. Most sportswriters don't know soccer. That means they have to hire additional people, and they don't want to. That's whyMLSSoccer.com is such a smart initiative, now that they got past the botched opening.

1:48	Greg Orlandini: I think teams, mistakenly, think 'Hey it's soccer, the Hispanic community will come to us!" not true. Even the NFL is stepping up their outreach to the community.

1:48	Jonathan Tannenwald: Matt, Greg... I don't mean to be too snarky about this, but there are media outlets on this earth (not just in the United States either) that tend to give more coverage to teams whose games they broadcast.

1:48	Jonathan Tannenwald: I will say that having multiple Spanish-speaking players will help.

1:48

[Comment From rolando]

Let's assume that everything Keith says is a smartass comment, even if it hides an astute observation (as they often do).

1:48	Jonathan Tannenwald: But I know that the local Spanish-language media really WANT to promote soccer in the region and the Union specifically. There is only so much they can do, though.

1:48	Jonathan Tannenwald: There's no Spanish-language TV or radio deal.

1:49	Jonathan Tannenwald: (Radio in particular remains a very important medium for the Hispanic population in many American cities.)

1:49	Scott Kessler: @Josh We covered that earlier in the chat. You can repost that as a comment in the actual article's comment section below this chat and I'll get to it later as part of the Brotherly Game's stuff on this chat.

1:49	Jonathan Tannenwald: I think things may improve with the local media coverage this year. They needed last year to try to get an accurate measure of the level of interest, and you can't do that just off the opener or a few games. A full season would bear that out.

1:50	Scott Kessler: Jonathan, our own (the Brotherly Game) Ben Feldman had been researching that back in September and came up with nothing. He thought the Union had because the CD Guadalajara game was broadcast, in Spanish, over the radio.

1:50

[Comment From Hodja]

I think There's definitely a divide in regards to hispanic fans. The Chivas game helped, but I was disappointed that there was some racism among fans during the friendly. The media is important, but fans of the Union have a very important role to play.

1:50

[Comment From Mike]

I know a lot of the local Youth Clubs came out to matches and had a great time. That kind of marketing can build for the future.

1:50	Jonathan Tannenwald: Dan, I thank you much for the compliment, but even my soccer blogging is in addition to my 40 hours a week as an editor for Philly.com's sports page. So there is only so much I can do.

1:51	Scott Kessler: That's where we come in cough cough

1:51	Jonathan Tannenwald: Yes, Scott, that was the first game they ever did on the radio, and I know the people that helped put it together.

1:51	Greg Orlandini: I would love to cover soccer as my day job, but that ain't happenin' :)

1:51	Dan Walsh: I know, Jon. Newspapers are a tough place to be right now. I've had more fun blogging this year, so yeah, what Scott said. ;)

1:51	Jonathan Tannenwald: Greg, you would know as well as anyone given how KYW spreads its reporters out to cover games. It's rare enough that they get to college basketball anymore.

1:51	Keith Hickey: Perhaps the Chivas match was a dry run? Hopefully it will lead to more Spanish-language broadcasts.

1:52

[Comment From JJ]

I think we, the fans, have to take more responsibilty for our club and the sport. Before 2010 season, I was the only soccer fan among my friends. I had 2 season tickets (1 for me, 1 for a non-fan). Now I have 4 or 5 people asking me about 2011 season tickets. I think things like the Free Beer Movement have the right idea: treat the "haters", and let the game speak for itself.

1:52

[Comment From Ansbro]

What's "Basketball"??

1:52	Dan Walsh: I think the Union have been a missed opportunity for ESPN Radio too. They were huge on the World Cup. I'd rather hear a Union game than yet another 2 hours of random talk radio.

1:52	Jonathan Tannenwald: Keith, they need to do a full-fledged deal with a local Spanish-language radio station. Not just for one game but for a full season, home and road.

1:53	Jonathan Tannenwald: Dan, I agree, but I bet WPEN won't pay a rights fee.

1:53	Dan Walsh: Ditto, Jon.

1:53	Dan Walsh: Could be.

1:53	Jonathan Tannenwald: Whether or not the Union are a "missed opportunity" for a media outlet is not up to the Union or the fans. It's up to the media outlet to make that decision.

1:53

[Comment From fj]

....so with everything that has been said...thanks for your coverage

1:54	Greg Orlandini: Jonanthan, We do what we can. We have a line at PPL park and our Ed Benkin does do some games for us. It's easier in the summer with only the Phillies to deal with. I'm proud that my station is doing that and allowing me and Dan to do the pod.

1:54	Dan Walsh: By the way, great point, JJ. I'm a soccer convert myself, and bringing non-soccer fans to games converted a few more.

1:54	Dan Walsh: Yeah, KYW has been great with the Philly Soccer Show.

1:54	unioncityblue: I agree with JJ as well. I have been doing the same thing with my season tickets.

1:54	Greg Orlandini: I think the local reponse during the world cup opened some eyes. The crowds at Fado and other spots made it on TV and people notice that.

1:54	Scott Kessler: [fj] I think I speak for all of us when I say we're privileged to be able to cover something that we love. Especially when it's for our own team.

1:54

[Comment From rolando]

I think there's some ambivalence about Hispanic fans among Union die-hards. Most Union die-hards are USMNT die-hards and resent Latino fans support for their birth countries' teams.

1:54	Dan Walsh: That was all their initiative. The Philly Soccer Page and I were just along for the ride.

1:55	Dan Walsh: Really, Rolando? I think that's silly. But you know, you might be right. I got crap once for wearing a Brazil shirt to a Union game.

1:55

[Comment From rolando]

That's my my intuition... not something I've discussed with people openly.

1:55

[Comment From Ansbro]

As much as I'd love the big media groups to increase the coverage to the Union I have to say I'm pretty happy with what people have done with their own efforts (i.e.: The Brotherly Game, Philly Soccer Page, The Goalkeeper, etc.) A lot of awareness is coming from your efforts and it will eventually bubble up to the big boys.

1:55	Greg Orlandini: Amen Scott

1:55	Jonathan Tannenwald: Greg, I agree that the World Cup made an impact. But we still have a long way to go for people to convert from World Cup fans to MLS fans.

1:56	Scott Kessler: @Brad Youtz: I'll post your comment in a second. Want to give it opportunity to be discussed.

1:57

[Comment From JJ]

Thanks, Dan. Brought a group out for my b-day (1st shutout). EVERYONE loved it. Even had a die-hard Phils fan say home much better the atmosphere was. Thanks, SOBs!

1:57

[Comment From Med]

JT - That's a very good point. Even many self-professed soccer fans won't support MLS. I was recently told "I don't watch minor league baseball, college basketball, or MLS."

1:57	unioncityblue: I sit near a family of Colombian-American fans, and they have been some of the most wonderful, vocal Union supporters. The positive potential is there.

1:58

Dan Walsh:

It shouldn't be like that, Rolando. The soccer community is an international one. My regular pickup game in Hatfield has guys from at least a half dozen nations, mostly from east and west Africa. In fact, I got season tickets with my buddy from Ethiopia. Who cares what national team he roots for? I bring my Brazilian wife in. Soccer is supposed to cross borders. If you can agree on the Union, that's all that matters.

1:58	Jonathan Tannenwald: The point I have always made, Med, is that there is nothing like going to a game.

1:58	Keith Hickey: The best advertisement for soccer has always been a ticket. We all know MLS isn't Le Liga, but live soccer is 100x better than watching it on TV.

1:58	Jonathan Tannenwald: I go out to bars all the time, for the Champions League and EPL and you name it.

1:58

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

Marketing in this city is very exoensive and to rezach the caucasion and hispanic audiences virtually doubles the cost. You need to leverage the relationships to get a bang for the buck...E.G. the relationship the Union have with WPVI. They show games but they also dfo the little things like a soccer ball on the 7 day forecast etc....

1:58	Jonathan Tannenwald: Brad makes a very good point.

1:59	Scott Kessler: If it was worth it for me, I would too, Jonathan. But I'm not close to 21 yet.

1:59	Dan Walsh: A hellishly good point. Brad, want to write for Philly Soccer Page? ;)

1:59	Jonathan Tannenwald: Here's another example of something the Union could work on.

1:59	Jonathan Tannenwald: On 9th Street, in the Italian market, are a couple of stores that sell soccer stuff.

1:59	Jonathan Tannenwald: Real stuff, jerseys and scarves and balls and such.

2:00	Jonathan Tannenwald: (Some of the jerseys are knock-off, but some are proper.)

2:00	Jonathan Tannenwald: All of the stores are run by Hispanic immigrants, mostly from Mexico.

2:00	Scott Kessler: Brad is one of the SoB leaders, by the way.

2:00

[Comment From Gareth]

All I know is that I went home from some big wins (Toronto, New York for example) and was disgusted by the lack of ANYTHING on some TV sports bulletins. When there was something, folks like Howard Eskin were OPENLY disrespectful.

2:00

[Comment From Greg Vince]

I won't lie. I'm a convert fan too. I became a fan through friends who were huge soccer fans. Started following the Union from the draft pretty much and then went to a bunch of games. Watched the World Cup and then realized I was hooked. Baseball is still number one for me, but I really got into soccer this (or last) year.

2:00	Jonathan Tannenwald: In recent months I've seen U.S. national team jerseys start to pop up on the racks for the first time. But never any Union merchandise.

2:01

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

Dan, I'm paid by the sentence and speeling is extra... ;)

2:01	Jonathan Tannenwald: Gareth, you listen to someone who wears a fur coat at the Palestra at your own peril.

2:01	Dan Walsh: Howard Eskin is a relic. So are people like him.

2:01	Jonathan Tannenwald: Greg Vince, it's perfectly okay to be a convert fan.

2:02	Scott Kessler: The worst people are John Gonzalez and Frank Fitzpatrick with the Inky. Sorry, Jonathan, but your co-workers are idiots.

2:02	Jonathan Tannenwald: Then don't read their work.

2:02	Dan Walsh: Tell him how you really feel, Scott.

2:02	Jonathan Tannenwald: I will say that I tried very hard all year to get Gonzo to come to a Union game and he really does want to make it.

2:02	Jonathan Tannenwald: The Flyers' Stanley Cup run got in the way more than anything else.

2:02	Keith Hickey: Part of our duty as fans and as journalists is to make it more profitable for the media to have pro-soccer guys than anti-soccer guys.

2:02	Scott Kessler: Really? He's basically said otherwise on Page 2.

2:02	Greg Orlandini: New media is the answer for getting the word out. THe soccer demo is a younger demo who use media differently are shaping how things are covered.

2:03	Jonathan Tannenwald: Gonzo's job is to write about stuff that is popular among a lot of people, and to stir the pot.

2:03	Jonathan Tannenwald: He rarely ever writes about college basketball and I know firsthand how much of a hoops fan he is.

2:03	Jonathan Tannenwald: Can I throw something out there....

2:03	Jonathan Tannenwald: If Philly.com did a soccer app would you pay for it?

2:03	Scott Kessler: I wrote two columns for TBG about how he's dissed the Union in his stuff.

2:03	Scott Kessler: What would it do?

2:03

[Comment From rolando]

Scott thanks for putting this together. Doin' the Brunz proud.

2:04	Keith Hickey: Yes I would, JT.

2:04	Jonathan Tannenwald: The same things our current football, hockey and basketball apps do.

2:04	Jonathan Tannenwald: Blog posts, videos, Twitter feeds, and some app-exclusive content.

2:04	Dan Walsh: Some probably would. I wouldn't, but I'm not into that stuff.

2:04	Scott Kessler: I probably would when I get a smartphone this week.

2:04

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

I've never noticed any explicit racism at PPL Park. I wasn't at the US National Team friendly, but to me most Union matches were MLS focused. Never thought anything about what national teams people supported.

2:04

[Comment From Andy Dillon]

JT ... what was with that tweet-tease you made the other night? Allowed to share that info yet, if at all?

2:05

[Comment From Ansbro]

Take Gregs comment about new media and repeat it over and over. The strategy to make this game more prevalent is right there.

2:06	Jonathan Tannenwald: Oh, yeah, sorry.

2:06	Jonathan Tannenwald: It was Sebastien Le Toux being in the fans' Sportsperson of the Year poll.

2:06	Jonathan Tannenwald: I was working on a special section online but I couldn't push it live until the morning.

2:06	Greg Orlandini: Ansbro, you are my new best friend...

2:07

[Comment From Earl]

I noticed some racist comments at the Chivas game Buzzkill. Funny thing is I don't think the people saying them think they were being racist

2:08

Dan Walsh:

See, here's the thing with soccer and media, and this is coming from a convert who first reported on MLS BEFORE I was a soccer fan -- There's a lot of crappy soccer out there. Sorry, but that's the truth. It's called Serie A. Or Stoke City. Or most of the World Cup games. That means it's a hard game to fall in love with if you've never played it or been to a live game. I fell in love with the game after playing pickup in Brazil. Otherwise, I might still be hitting the basketball courts. That makes it tough to grab a mainstream media full of sportswriters who are 15-20 years older than most of us and didn't come of age with American soccer being viable. All they see is a 1-0 scoreline. They don't see the brilliance that may have come in between.

2:08	Keith Hickey: Was it anything worse than you hear at a US/Mexico game?

2:08

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

I think the race stuff is closer to the surface than people realize.

2:09	Jonathan Tannenwald: Brad, unfortunately I am literally above the fray up in the press box, but I hope that gets stamped out soon. There's no place for it.

2:09	Scott Kessler: If the Union or the Sons of Ben want to work with us on getting non-fans into the game and the Union, I'm sure all of us could come up with promotions to get it started. That could be a first step.

2:09

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

Dan, I agree with that. To convert we need to convince people to come to a game. Tjhose who do will return...

2:10	Jonathan Tannenwald: And while you're at it, Scott, there's more than one professional soccer team in Delaware County these days.

2:10	Dan Walsh: That's my experience, Brad. I made a few converts this year.

2:10	Jonathan Tannenwald: In fact, I would argue that the best goalscorer in the region does not play for the Union.

2:11	Dan Walsh: You would be wrong though. ;) But good point, re: Independence.

2:11	Jonathan Tannenwald: Their move to Widener this year is going to pay a lot of dividends, I think.

2:12	Scott Kessler: Oh I know Jonathan, but it's tough enough to get people to the Union.

2:12

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

JT is it Matt Ansbro?

2:12

[Comment From Phil]

I think the fact that season ticket holders now have the chance to get into the stadium club after the game only helps convert more people and add to the experience as a whole

2:12	Scott Kessler: @Ansbro Will definitely do that, thanks.

2:13

[Comment From Nick]

I used to go to Charge games when they played at Villanova, but with them playing in West Chester, that's too far from NJ for me. Widener, same deal.

2:13	Jonathan Tannenwald: Nick, Widener is not far from PPL Park.

2:14

[Comment From Ansbro]

Clearly is was me! Captain Faux Morgan had no chance on that PK!

2:14	Jonathan Tannenwald: It's right next to I-95 in Chester. Literally, there's a fence to stop balls from going onto the high way.

2:14	PhillyUnionTalk: Alot of people don't see soccer as "American" enough unfortunately- that's why doing better in the WC would have meant so much

2:14	Dan Walsh: Can you take corners, Matt? The Union might be able to use you.

2:14	Scott Kessler: Must. resist. making. comment. about. Ryan. Giggs. and. the. Union.

2:15	Greg Orlandini: Giggs at the Union? Ha!

2:15	Keith Hickey: We don't need a washed-up European looking for a paycheck.

2:15	PhillyUnionTalk: There go my pants again

2:15	Greg Orlandini: We could have had Pires if we wanted that...

2:15	Scott Kessler: Washed up? He's still killing it in the EPL. Last season he was a top chance creator. I think Keith is just angry about 1998-1999.

2:16

Dan Walsh:

I think sometimes the people who don't see soccer as American enough are also the same ones crying the loudest in the immigration debate and how we need to secure borders and all that. There's a certain small mindedness that comes with hating soccer in that particular way. You don't have to like the sport, but there's a way of disliking it that parallels xenophobia.

2:16	Keith Hickey: I have tissues if you need them, Scott.

2:16	PhillyUnionTalk: But speaking of which, bringing these foreign washup DP's into the game is part of the REASON people don't identify soccer as American---its greatest heroes are still from abroad (with the possible exception of Donovan)

2:16	Scott Kessler: I said Giggs because of freekicks and corners.

2:16	Keith Hickey: MLS needs to develop and keep its own talent.

2:16	Dan Walsh: Donovan to Everton. Start the rumor.... Oh, wait.

2:16

[Comment From Ansbro]

Let's hope the Independence can capitalize @ Widener b/c if they can't it's over for WPS. Sadly. The girls deserve a chance to play.

2:17	PhillyUnionTalk: Exactly Keith---instead of spending on imports, spend on creating and KEEPING American, or at least North American, talent.

2:18

[Comment From Justin F.]

I had mistakenly thought this chat had started a two so I am sorry if this has already been discussed, but what do you think is the future of the Philadelphia Union game coverage? Are they going to stick with WVPI or will they eventually migrate over to CSN Philadelphia or some other local affiliate?

2:18	Dan Walsh: Not going to happen yet in all cases. MLS needs to sell guys like Findley and Bornstein before they leave for free so they can reinvest the funds in youth development and importing good young players.

2:18	Keith Hickey: The USMNT fan wants me to have Dempsey, Holden, etc. playing in Europe. The MLS fan wants them here.

2:19

[Comment From Nick]

JT-Consequently, I have yet to visit PPL Park. I'm going to make my homage this season, but it's a deterant when my total commute takes as long as the game itself.

2:19	Scott Kessler: Nick, I feel ya. It takes me three hours to get back to school after games because of the train scheduling.

2:19	Dan Walsh: You're at Rutgers, right, Scott?

2:20	Jonathan Tannenwald: Justin, the deal with WPVI is for multiple years.

2:20	Jonathan Tannenwald: I happen to think they benefit from it, because WPVI is the most-watched of the local broadcast stations, and they get games on network TV.

2:20	Jonathan Tannenwald: There is some 'free advertising' from mentions during the sports segments on the local newscasts.

2:20	Scott Kessler: Yes I am, Dan. Rolando and I share a city.

2:20

[Comment From Ansbro]

I will say that those that look down on the women's game should take the same approach as we would with a new Union fan, go to a game. They're highly competitive and great time!

2:20

[Comment From Andrew]

if we want somebody with free kick ability and creativity then adu really would be our guy. hes still only 21.

2:20

[Comment From Brad Youtz]

I gotta run. Thanks for putting this together, Scott. I hope you scheule more of these.

2:21	Scott Kessler: Brad, I'm hoping to have more of these throughout the year. Seems like everyone involved really likes it.

2:21	Dan Walsh: I'm a Rutgers grad. I'll see if I can find a fellow Scarlet Knight a crash pad for Union games. ;)

2:22	Jonathan Tannenwald: Hey, Scott, I have to run too. Thanks very much for putting this together.

2:22	Jonathan Tannenwald: I will be in Baltimore next week for the NSCAA convention and both drafts and I hope to meet lots of you all there.

2:22	Greg Orlandini: Nice job Scott!

2:22	Scott Kessler: Thanks for being a part of it Jonathan. I figured you newspaper guys wouldn't be around forever.

2:22

[Comment From Jimbo]

Is there a website for video of the draft prospects besides youtube?

2:22	Keith Hickey: I will also be at the SuperDraft. Look forward to seeing everyone there.

2:22	Greg Orlandini: Good Luck down in Charm City, Jonathan

2:23	Scott Kessler: As will I. Still waiting on word about credentials.

2:23	Dan Walsh: Have fun, Jon. After two-plus hours here, it's a good thing I had the day off. I should be taking off in a few minutes too, Scott.

2:23	Scott Kessler: We seem to be at the end of everything, including reader comments.

2:23	Keith Hickey: I think we've covered everything we meant to, didn't we?

2:24	Greg Orlandini: I'm actually working, don't tell my boss...

2:24

[Comment From soccerbyives.com]

Scott, what's your current favorite TV show?

2:24	Scott Kessler: Apparently we haven't, Keith.

2:24	PhillyUnionTalk: I've been teaching classes in between comments- but that's between us

2:24	Jonathan Tannenwald: Jimbo, MLS is apaprently going to stream the combine on its website.

2:25

[Comment From soccerbyives.com]

Scott, If Giggs realizes he's too old to play and went to Coach NY Red Bulls would you move to NY?

2:25	Scott Kessler: I have a feeling that's not actually Ives.

2:25

[Comment From Nick]

I wish there was more certainty with the roster, as I think there should have been more discussion about the best formation for Union, and how to better utilize the players, but this is a great idea for a chat.

2:25

[Comment From Hodja]

Well since it's wrapping up; Thanks everyone, I've really enjoyed this. I hope there are more in the future!

2:26	Scott Kessler: Nick, we can always discuss that more in depth on our blogs and newspaper columns. That's the wonderful thing about these chats.

2:26	Dan Walsh: Yeah, Ives would know his own correct URL. ;)

2:26

[Comment From Phil]

yeah i really enjoyed this too. gotta have more of these

2:27	Dan Walsh: Thanks again for setting this up, Scott. You did a great job with this, and hopefully we'll have Philly Soccer Page be part of it again in the future.

2:27	PhillyUnionTalk: We should have one during an away game. They have wi-fi at Dark Horse, right?

2:27	Scott Kessler: We had about two hundred different people check out this chat. That's enough demand to due more.

2:27	Dan Walsh: And thanks to everyone for great questions.

2:27	Scott Kessler: I'd love to do a live-live chat. Great idea, PUT.

2:27	Jonathan Tannenwald: I know they do at Tir Na Nog.

2:27

[Comment From buzzkill_ed]

This was fun...especially when there is no news out of the Union camp.

2:27	Keith Hickey: They do. I used it to cover the 4-1 pasting away to the Rapids.

2:27	Greg Orlandini: Would love to do this again, I'll call outta work next time!

2:28	PhillyUnionTalk: It's settled- let's hope our laptops are beer-proof

2:28

[Comment From Earl]

Great job guys. thanks for everything

2:28

[Comment From Greg Vince]

Yes I enjoyed the chat. At the risk of soundg like a moron, do they cover draft on TV?

2:28	Scott Kessler: Greg, it'll be on ESPN2. January 13.

2:28	Keith Hickey: I think they did last year. ESPN2.

2:29	Scott Kessler: I'll make sure the new laptop I get next week is beer proof, then.

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Transcript: Philadelphia Soccer Media Community Live Chat